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Mfg. number |
Car number |
Length |
Description |
Prototype |
Rivarossi
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2716 |
2602 |
85' |
Combine |
Rider Car, 2602-2608, not RPO |
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2732 |
1418 |
85' |
Diner |
#1400-1418 Pullman |
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2718 |
35 |
85' |
Observation |
Café/ Observation 1513-1514 |
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2717 |
St. Croix/ Manhattan |
85' |
Pullman |
Generic. Scrolled lettering is wrong. |
Athearn http://www.Athearn.com/k.html
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1881 |
70’ |
Baggage |
Pass for Pullman 1820-1829 |
Spectrum Not ATSF
Walthers once made line of passenger car kits for heavyweight cars which were combination of metal, wood, plastic parts. Definitely craftsman style kits, the kits also carried several variants of Walthers part or stock numbers.
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7850/6650 |
Santa Fe 1820-1829 baggage |
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7851/6651 |
Santa Fe 57-59, 70-79 RPO |
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7852/6652 |
Santa Fe 2024-2048 baggage-RPO |
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7853/6653 |
Santa Fe 2622-2639 combine |
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7854/6654 |
Santa Fe 111-112 smoker-RPO |
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7855/6655 |
Santa Fe 799-816 chair-smoker |
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7856/6656 |
Santa Fe 3030-3067 coach |
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7857/6657 |
Santa Fe 3230-3233 parlor |
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7858/6658 |
Santa Fe 1532-1537 lounge |
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7859/6659 |
Santa Fe 1360-1368 dorm-lounge |
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7860/6660 |
Santa Fe 1400-1418 diner |
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7861/6661 |
Santa Fe 1513-1514 cafe-observation |
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FP5-H |
Santa Fe 3345-3362 coach |
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6663 |
Santa Fe 400-409 business-observation |
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7803/6603 |
Pullman 10 section-lounge-observation |
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7804/6604 |
Pullman 3-2 lounge-observation |
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7814/6614 |
Pullman 14 section |
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7807/6607 |
Pullman 16 section |
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7816/6616 |
Pullman 10-1-2 |
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7811/6611 |
Pullman 8-1-2 |
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7802/6602 |
Pullman 12-1 |
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7818/6618/FP2-H |
Pullman 6-3 |
Athearn http://www.Athearn.com/k.html
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1781 |
72’ |
Baggage fluted |
Budd 3432-3452 |
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1801 |
60’ |
RPO fluted |
Budd, 80 and 81. Are close except for the wide fluting above the windows. |
Bachmann
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502 |
80’ |
Full Length Dome, with interior, MSRP $24 |
506-513. Oversize letterboard. Convert to a 550 class by changing only one window on the lower level. |
Con-cor http://tucson.com/concor/nspage.html MSRP $17
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742 |
3447 |
70' |
Baggage, fluted |
Close to Budd 3446-3452. You have to substitute a Budd roof. Athearn is a better choice. |
|
702 |
2865 |
85' |
Coach, fluted |
Close to Budd-built ATSF 3137 class, but you have to substitute a Budd roof (Concor Part #70), change the letterboard corrugations, and change the trucks |
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722 |
604 |
85' |
Diner, fluted |
Close to 600-606. |
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712 |
502 |
85' |
Dome, fluted |
Close to 500-505 Pleasure domes, vestibule window is smaller on the model. Pullman. |
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792 |
Pine Bluff |
85' |
10-6 Pullman, fluted |
Bedroom side is correct for "Pine" class, corridor side is not having 3 extra windows which could be filled. |
Con-cor: Valley Flyer, 72’, Not ATSF
Rivarossi / IHC MSRP $16
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47783 |
Vista Canyon |
85’ |
Observation fluted - Plan 4115 - 4 Drawing Room, 1 Bedroom, Observation Lounge |
Not "Vista" series. Close to 4-1 "Betahtakin" 1938 series, Pullman |
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47786 |
Indian Squaw |
85’ |
Duplex Sleeper fluted - Plan 4100B - 24 Duplex Roomette Sleeper |
"Indian" series, later ATSF 901-912, rebuilt to 11 bedroom cars in 1964. |
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85’ |
Vista Dome fluted - Plan 7616 - Dome Bar Lounge |
ATSF 500-505 |
Rivarossi (AHM) Smooth side All cars Not ATSF
Rivarossi, fluted side, not current run, but produced in the 80’s with different tooling.
10-6 Budd, close to Pine series
Observation, close to Budd chair-observations.
American Model Builders Laserkit MSRP $44.95 http://laserkit.com/PassHO.htm
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1500 |
85’ |
"Valley" Series Sleeper, smooth side, 6-6-4 (Needs Eastern Car works kit #117-1200) |
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1501 |
85’ |
4-4-2 fluted sleeper (Nankoweap) Hotevilla Series |
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1502 |
74’ |
3939 Series Baggage Car |
Brass Car Sides http://www.mria.org/companies/brasscarsides.html
Requires basic car kit
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173-9 |
85’ |
Pullman "American" 6-6-4 Pullman (Plan 4099), Valley series car. $26.75 |
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173-17 |
85’ |
Pullman "Cascade" 10-5 Pullman (Plan 4072) $26.75 |
Eastern Car Works http://www.easterncarworks.com/page1.html
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1205 |
85’ |
6-6-4, smooth sides, Valley series, MSRP $15 |
Santa Fe Railway Historical & Modeling Society http://www.ATSFRR.com/CompanyStore/Kits/
(Needs Eastern Car works kits) Eastern Kit MSRP $10, SFRHMS kit $45 members, $65 non members.
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ACF RPO #82-88 |
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ACF Baggage #3453-3466 |
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ACF 10-6 Palm Series Sleeper |
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ACF 4-4-2 Regal Series Sleeper |
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Pullman #500-506 Pleasure Dome Bar Lounge |
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Pullman Diner #600-606 |
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Pullman Dorm Lounge # 1339-1344 (requires Concor dome kit) |
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Pullman 4-1 Vista Sleeper Lounge Observation |
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Pullman 2861-2911 Series 44 seat coach |
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Lunch Counter Diner |
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Pullman 10-3-2 "Blue" Series Sleeper |
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Pullman Early 8-2-2 Sleeper "Tolchico" |
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Pullman Early 4-4-2 "Hotevilla", Mojave Series Sleeper |
Union Station: MSRP $18, require Eastern base http://usp.dsop.com
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4058 |
85’ |
8-2-2 sleeper. fluted. prewar. |
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4099 |
85’ |
6-6-4 sleeper, smooth side, pool service. |
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4100B |
85’ |
"Indian" series 24 roomette sleeper, fluted, general service. |
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4115 |
85’ |
"Vista" series 4dr-1br lounge observation, fluted. Super Chief. |
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4144 |
85’ |
"Regal" series 4db-4cmpt-2dr sleeper, fluted. 1948 & 50 Super Chief. |
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4145 |
85’ |
"Blue" series 10rmt-3br-2cmpt sleepfr, fluted. 1948 Super Chief. |
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7503A |
85’ |
2900 series 44 seat coach, fluted (no center skirts). 1950 El Capitan. |
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7504 |
85’ |
3100 series divided (jim crow) 50 seat coach, fluted. 1947 Texas Chief. |
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7506 |
85’ |
Baggage-Dormitory, Fluted, 1947 El Capitan. |
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7506T |
85’ |
Same as above with transition topper on end of car to go from std. Level to high level, 1956 El Capitan. |
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7507 |
85’ |
Bar lounge car, fluted. 1947 El Capitan. |
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7623 |
85’ |
Dormitory-lounge car, fluted. 1950 Super Chief |
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7625 |
85’ |
Dining car, fluted. 1950 Super Chief. |
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7652 |
64' |
Baggage, Smooth Side. |
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7653 |
74' |
Baggage, Smooth Side. |
Limited Editions
No longer available these kits were a combination of metal and plastic. 1938 Pullman-Standard sleeping cars (streamlined) for the Chief and Super Chief included: 4-4-2, 8-2-2, 17 roomette, 14 section, and 4-1 sleeper-obs.
Hi Level
Train Station MSRP $33
|
812 |
85’ |
Step up Coach |
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822 |
85’ |
Coach |
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832 |
85’ |
Diner |
Fleischmann also produced Hi Level cars in the 60s. These cars had no undercarriage details and were short. http://www.fleischmann.de/
Express Cars
Athearn http://www.Athearn.com/k.html
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5331 |
50’ |
Express Reefer, MSRP $6.50 |
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5034 |
4159 |
50’ |
Express Box, Pull Grn, $5.75 |
Good for 4100-4399, FE-24 |
Foreign cars
From Fred Frailey’s Quarter Century of Santa Fe Consists:
Starting in 1946 the Chief had 3 sleepers from eastern roads:
from New York City, PRR (Broadway Ltd) 4-4-2
from New York City, NYC (20th Century Ltd) 4-4-2
from Washington, B&O (Capitol Ltd) 6-6-4
In 1949, a second sleeper (10-5) was added from the 20th Century Ltd, to make the total 4 cars.
On January 15, 1954, the Super Chief was assigned these four cars, and the Chief was given 4 coaches to replace them
PRR 4-4-2 (Regal Ruby, River, Spa, City, Inn, Ring)
NYC 4-4-2 (Regal Gate, Gulf, Arms, Creek, Town, Court)
NYC 10-6 (Pine Arroyo, Brook, Dale, Island, Cove, Fern)
B&O 10-6 (Pine Leaf, Gem, Creek, Pass, Ring, Beach)
The normally used cars were painted in Pennsy and NYC versions of two tone grey.
Rivarossi (AHM) smooth side 10-6 sleeper can be used for the 10-6 NYC sleeper.
Brass Car Sides has kit 17 which is correct for the 4-4-2 sleeper of PRR and NYC.
Eastern Car Works kit 1330 is also correct for the 4-4-2 sleeper of PRR and NYC.
Michael Flick reports: In 1946 there were three transcontinental sleepers running on the Chief, NYC 4-4-2, PRR 4-4-2, B&O 6-6-4. When the second NYC car was added, it was initially a 10-5 Cascade series, it was added before 1949. The NYC 10-5 was then changed to a 10-6, later the B&O car was changed to a 10-6. B&O through car was always assigned as a Santa Fe car, no B&O cars ever regularly assigned. After cars moved to Super Chief in 1954, only Santa Fe cars were regularly assigned to all four sleeping car lines until all discontinued by 1958.
Special thanks to Michael Flick (trains@trainstationohio.com) for his help and for an article in Santa Fe Modeler, May/June 86 and September/October 81 on this subject.
A Word of Caution.
The publication, Car and Locomotive Plans for Model Railroaders published in 1948 and 1953 has been the source of plans for a number of manufacturers of brass and plastic. Unfortunately faulty plans have resulted in erronious models. The Concor Baggage Car was based on a drawing of 3446-3452 that shows a smooth roof when the roof was Budd fluted. Coach 3137-3166 has a fluted roof photograph but a smooth roof drawing.
Also one can not always believe the captions for photos.
The Con-Cor 85' cars have several different prototypes (at least nominally): Baggage: No actual prototype--was taken from the Santa Fe Plan Book, but those plans had several errors, and car is actually a hybrid among several prototypes. Coach: Also taken from Santa Fe Plan Book--not exact match, but pretty close to Budd-built ATSF 3139 class, with addition of corrugated letterboard and roof. Diner: Also taken from Santa Fe Plan Book--reasonably accurate for ATSF 600 class diners (used on Super Chief only) Regular Dome: Also taken from Santa Fe Plan Book--reasonably accurate for ATSF 500 class dome lounges--the fabled "Pleasure Dome-Turquoise Room" cars used on Super Chief only. Regular Observation: Also taken from Santa Fe Plan Book--reasonably accurate for ATSF 3197, a one-of-a-kind car. Slumbercoach: Standard Budd design, used by several roads Dome Observation: Budd-built California Zephyr car 10-6 Pullman: Budd-built design, has window pattern of California Zephyr cars, but similar to Budd-built sleepers of other roads also. Budd Dome: California Zephyr dome coach Note that all of these cars have a strange "reverse" or "mirror image" fluting pattern--i.e., the fluting has round peaks and sharp valleys, instead of vice versa. The trucks on most cars are also not appropriate, but that is easy to change.